Time


Here is a comment that a friend recently left on one of the many videos that I uploaded last week. [it has nothing to do with the video] [disclaimer: this is mainly meant to be a conversation between two people who have similar understandings and beliefs and wordings such as “this would have to”, or “this means”, or any wording suggesting a necessary truth which comes from observance of the writing is more conversational than actually proving something as a factual reality. Though parts could still could at times be true this is at its’ nature a musing and a conversation.]

“(on that note does time ever actually end, perhaps the way we measure time ends but in eternity time would continue to move forward unless we are simply in a perpetual state then the argument can be made that time has stop since we are in a static state and the argument can be made that time is independent of our state and the fact that nothing changes does not affect the passage of time, but I digress…)”

I will go sentence by sentence… or perhaps phrase by phrase.


“(on that note does time ever actually end,” –

First we must define time and the “end” of this “time”. And we must also notice that time or the observance thereof depends on the point of observance. I am sure this will be answered here later.


“perhaps the way we measure time ends” –

Yes, I believe this to be true. Assuming that measuring and observing time mean close to the same thing here then yes. Measuring time is like a step beyond observing time. To note that there is a presence of time, or to note that events occur before or after other events is a bit different from actually measuring time.

When our bodies and souls will be unified with God in Heaven, since our bodies are temporal will we be able to experience time? There will be no suffering and no need for it in Heaven because we will already be in the place that suffering is a means of being granted the grace to enter. Thus time as a construct through which we experience suffering for the purpose of salvation will no longer be needed once in heaven. This is not time’s only purpose of course, and it is just a thought but none the less…

“but in eternity time would continue to move forward unless we are simply in a perpetual state” –

I will assume that you mean eternity to be from now to infinity. Time affects directly things that exist within it. Time affects our bodies, and thus our souls, even though our souls are eternal, because of the intrinsic bond of unity between the body and the soul. For example if we sin with our bodies, if we die in a state of mortal sin, and if we go to hell, our soul is greatly affected by it even though our soul is eternal. The “perpetual state” is, I am again assuming, eternal unity with God, not just the eternal nature of our souls. Thus “we” is our body and soul. [ if any of the assumptions are wrong or perhaps not as right as they could be let me know – most of this set up you already know but for the sake of all readers who may come across this I am being more thorough than normal ]
In eternity we would continue to move forward, as our ability to observe or perceive time is still within us. So I suppose we would move forward in that sense. But I wonder how we would perceive time once we are either in Heaven, Purgatory, or Hell. And then how we would perceive time once we are reunited with our bodies. Thats the real interesting one because of the introduction of the body into the mix. Perhaps our perpetual state would render us so far removed from the construct of time that “time” as we know it is no longer.


“then the argument can be made that time has stop since we are in a static state” –

Time as we know it to be would indeed stop if this were the case, or so I would think. What do you mean by static? Is it simply the death of the body and the soul having been judged and no longer having the chance to change?


“and the argument can be made that time is independent of our state and the fact that nothing changes does not affect the passage of time, but I digress…)” –

It may sound like I am repeating myself a bit. Time as we perceive it is what it is, but as others perceive it may be different. Thus time, being relative to the point of perception, it seems, is independent of a generalized rule of accordance, but still adheres to individuals existence. So in a sense it is, and it is not independent or our state. Again no answer but more questions…

Perhaps we should choose a place to stand when speaking of time. It may help answers come a bit easier.
All comments, questions, and corrections welcome.
We are all armatures.

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2 thoughts on “Time

  1. I will address this point by point.

    To begin with, defining the “end” of time is my aim here. For we are not only discussing the nature of time itself, but also whether time is a construct of fallen man or if it is independent of our state as mortals or our immortality.

    I not only believe that the way we measure time will end, but that the very observance of time shall end, which again begs the question, does time exist or did we create it? For when our bodies and souls are unified with God’s will there be any need or even any way to know that events are passing? Will the sequential nature of our lives cease? In a perpetual state in which we are in eternal praise of God, can there even be a difference from one moment to the next? Even with the introduction of our bodies, would that matter. For we are to be united with our redeemed bodies, with none of the weaknesses and frailties that we now suffer from. So removing the effects that time has on our bodies we need not fear the effect that this might have on our souls for both have become eternal and unchanging.

    By static, I do indeed mean that we have neither the ability nor the desire to change. We have come into a perfect state of union with God or separation from God. In the case of separation, while the desire to change exists the ability is again absent and therefore the desire itself never changes, neither in intensity nor intent. I have intentionally left out the possibility of purgatory due to the fact that I am referring to a point when all souls have been judged in finality and none are still in a state of purification.

    Time is as beauty; in the eye of the beholder.

  2. I will address this point by point.

    To begin with, defining the “end” of time is my aim here. For we are not only discussing the nature of time itself, but also whether time is a construct of fallen man or if it is independent of our state as mortals or our immortality.

    I not only believe that the way we measure time will end, but that the very observance of time shall end, which again begs the question, does time exist or did we create it? For when our bodies and souls are unified with God’s will there be any need or even any way to know that events are passing? Will the sequential nature of our lives cease? In a perpetual state in which we are in eternal praise of God, can there even be a difference from one moment to the next? Even with the introduction of our bodies, would that matter. For we are to be united with our redeemed bodies, with none of the weaknesses and frailties that we now suffer from. So removing the effects that time has on our bodies we need not fear the effect that this might have on our souls for both have become eternal and unchanging.

    By static, I do indeed mean that we have neither the ability nor the desire to change. We have come into a perfect state of union with God or separation from God. In the case of separation, while the desire to change exists the ability is again absent and therefore the desire itself never changes, neither in intensity nor intent. I have intentionally left out the possibility of purgatory due to the fact that I am referring to a point when all souls have been judged in finality and none are still in a state of purification.

    Time is as beauty; in the eye of the beholder.

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